Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Its never been made clear. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Mr Steve J Patricia Rorrer Self - Suspect (archive footage) Director Kimberley Ferdinando All cast & crew Production, box office & more at IMDbPro Storyline Edit Keith Morrison investigates the horrific 1994 murders of Joann Katrinak and her infant son, Alex, as well as the ongoing claims that Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of the murders. When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. The fat cow is guilty as hell and I hope she continues to have the shit kicked out of her in prison every day of her useless life. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Nailed? The Facts Case Type: Crime His hair (back in 94-95) was dirty blonde and roughly 8 inches long. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. So, lets take your response one step at a time. You know whats interesting? I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. I would have liked better her being put to death! neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Look into it. Answer 1 of 3: My Thai wife put her foot down - despite Covid-19 were are going sightseeing, or else. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. After . They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. Sorry not sorry. These are brutal, aggressive crimes in their own right, but that. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. The prosecution alleged that after the murder, Patricia drove Joanns car to McCartys parking lot and backed it into a parking space. Patricia Rorrer was convicted in 1998 of murdering a young mother named Joann Katrinak as well as her 15-week old infant son. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). This video is currently unavailable. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Book her. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. The likelihood of a mad slasher invading the home, engaging in infanticide, over against her own perpetration, is almost nil. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. (Nope. Ep 205 - Clair Hour 1: Black or White TV-MA | 53 MINS | 2020 The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Traupman died in 2016. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Media galore. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. You should be ashamed of yourself. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. And then there are documentaries (video and audio) which, by all accounts, stick to the facts and make a compelling case for her innocence. Keep up your delusions. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. I hope she rots in hell. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? I noticed quite a few errors myself. Prosecutor pounds away. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? It seems so, according to you. simply to create an atmosphere of hatred towards a person who, in all probability, has been wrongfully imprisoned. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Patricia Rorrer will burn in hell, as she should. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Im aware of Rorrers various appeals, but also aware that the bases for those appeals is to some degree unknown to observers, who rely on third-party reporting which may distort. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Most damning of all the evidence is the hair which was DNA matched to Rorrer which was instrumental in her conviction. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. 5 years prior to all this happening! Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. . How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. They really need to set her free and open the case and look at the husband. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. There appears to be evidence of her disturbed thinking shortly prior to the event (inc her stating she knows who the perp was shortly after but would not identify because its her?) She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. On January 11, 2021, Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Thats all for this post. They broke up in 1993. I dont think so. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. You seem to have a fragile ego. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. The case rocked Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley and resulted in. Flaw in reasoning. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. Cop defends accused. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? I expect she will admit it one day. she didnt need to . Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Daniel and Cynthia McDonnell: Good Cop, Bad Wife. Just saying. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Patty is my cousin. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. A correction to the comment above. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). DNA also doesnt lie. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up: Directed by Joe Berlinger, Catharine Park. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? What a lame article. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. What evidence is there she actually left the state? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Hoist by my own petard! State: Oklahoma. Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms.