Zac Woolford Scores, updates and news in Group 4 rugby league in both divisions in all grades. Copyright 2023 Sporting News Holdings Limited. Jesse Ramien Klese Haas Zac Hosking 2. However, with only . 11. 1. Michael Molo The club originally competed in the British rugby league system but withdrew in the 2020 Super League season due to "overwhelming financial challenges" caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.. Miah O'Sullivan (NSW) 4. 7. Nicho Hynes Matt Timoko 2 talking about this. Bayley Sironen Each player normally keeps their number for the whole game, regardless of which position they play in. Joseph Manu 2. Kyle Feldt 16. The following is a list of rugby league competitions that are still currently in existence. Riley Price looms as the likely replacement on the bench. Ezra Mam 1 Australia 100% 2 New Zealand 93% 3 Samoa 87% 4 England 73% 5 Tonga 58% 6 Papua New Guinea 47% 7 Fiji 45% 8 Lebanon 36% 9 France 28% 10 Wales 23% Tyrone Peachey 13. 13. Counties 3 Dorset & Wilts South, Counties 3 Midlands West (North) Their role in attack is usually as a support player, and they are often used to come into the line to create an overlap in attack. This article shows a list of professional rugby league clubs in Britain. Includes premier division, division one, division two, division three, division four, and division five. 8. 2. Their roles require speed and ball-playing skills, rather than just strength, to take advantage of the field position gained by the forwards. Oct 13, 2021 Unfortunately the MacIntyre Warriors folded in 2018, as a result of many players rejoining the nearby Goondiwindi league side. Junior Representative Wrap: Round 7. Heilum Luki . Alex Twal DallinWatene-Zelezniak Cameron McInnes In attack their primary role is to provide an attacking threat out wide and as such they often need to be some of the fastest players on the pitch, often providing the pass for their winger to finish off a move. [36] The team explored options to improve the home stadium, including holding preliminary discussions about moving their home games to BMO Field, renovating Lamport Stadium or building a new stadium.[37]. Erin Clark 15. NRL predicted team lists: Every side's likely lineup for Magic Round. It also formerly ran a second division competition called the Wests Shield. 56-0. Kootingal-Moonbi, Dungowan and Boggabri moved up to being full first grade teams, whilst Manilla and Barraba moved into the reserves competition. Community clubs have trained coaches and dedicated Child Welfare Officers to help ensure that children and young people have a rewarding experience as they start, stay and succeed in the game. 8. 12 clubs, Counties 2 ADM Lancashire & Cheshire This makes them important decision-makers in attack. 4. A player who can play in a number of different positions is often referred to as a "utility player", "utility forward", or "utility back". Kodi Nikorima Seawolves Win in Toronto over Arrows 27-36. Scott Drinkwater Karl Lawton 13. 12. With the exception of the Midlands leagues, which only has regional splits, below these regional leagues are county leagues (e.g. [25], On 4 March, Toronto played its first League 1 match, away at London Skolars. This includes both international tournaments played by national Test teams and also domestic club and provincial competitions. Mitch Kenny 16. This is a List of rugby union clubs in Germany.It lists all rugby union clubs in Germany registered with the German Rugby Federation, the DRV, or taking part in the German league system. Oregon Kaufusi Harrison Edwards. Toronto played scheduled "home" games at: Headingley Stadium, Leeds as a double header with Leeds Rhinos; the Halliwell Jones Stadium, Warrington; and Bootham Crescent, York as a double header with York City Knights. Declan Casey 3. This depends on the results and seedings of pool play. Find out the latest news stories, results and fixtures for your favourite rugby league teams on BBC Sport. Junior Tupou View first team squad. Ash Handley may have a hat-trick try.. Live decision gone his way. Trinity launch Girls' Development Academy . 1. Access through library eResources to database applications housing newspaper and journal content. Tesi Niu Matches are also archived on the Toronto Wolfpack YouTube Channel. The scrum half is often known as the half back, especially in Australasia, and the lock forward is usually known as loose forward in England. Their absence paved the way for a return to the premiers circuit for the highly rated Moree Boomerangs, a team that wear their indigenous flag themed jerseys with much pride. Haumole Olakauatu 3. In the 1980s, Noel Cleal and his brother Les emerged from Warialda to rise to prominence in the NSWRL Premiership. 8. A team that introduced the rugby league world to the likes of Billy Slater, Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk claimed Grand Final wins in both 2007, 2009 and 2012 as well as competing in a total of five Grand Finals. 9. Picture by Olly Hassell/SWpix.com - 29/04/2023 - Rugby League - Rugby League Mid-Season International - England Men v France Men - Halliwell Jones Stadium, Warrington, England - George Williams (Captain) lifts the trophy after Englands 64-0 victory over France. 13. 11. Jaeman Salmon. [15][16] The team will be the first professional rugby league team to be based in Canada. [29], The club was given a chance to resubmit a bid for a place in the 2021 Super League season but the bid for readmission was rejected on 2 November 2020 resulting in the team's removal from the league. Stefano Utoikamanu 2023 Storm Premiership: All you need to know. 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Mikaele Ravalawa Premiership Rugby 11 clubs. Canterbury and Wests Tigers will both be looking to build on their breakthrough victories, while a number of players across the competition will be sidelined due to suspension. Hudson Young Guyra and Ashford folded after the COVID-19 plagued 2021 season, and Moree Boars left the year prior to join Group 4. The league pyramid of rugby league in the United Kingdom is topped and very much dominated by Super League, with the 11 top teams from England and 1 in France. 2. -66. In Rugby League, there are two centers, numbers 3 and 4. . Wingers that feature in their nations' rugby league halls of fame are Great Britain's Billy Batten, Billy Boston and Clive Sullivan, Australia's Brian Bevan, John Ferguson, Ken Irvine, Harold Horder and Brian Carlson, South African Tom van Vollenhoven and France's Raymond Contrastin. Paul Alamoti Talatau Amone In attack, their size and strength means that they are primarily used for running directly into the defensive line, as a kind of "battering ram" to simply gain metres. Freddy Lussick Soni Luke 7. Jackson Ford All three may be referred to as front-rowers, but this term is now most commonly just used as a colloquialism to refer to the props. Alofiana Khan-Pereira Myrtle Beach Mermen - Eastbound & Down [4] Neptune Pirates - Veronica Mars. WATCH: Highlights of UKAF's big win against GB Police. James Fisher-Harris No changes expected to the Storm side that defeated the Warriors on Anzac Day. In practice, the term 'front row forward' is very rarely used, and a team has two props. Confirmed lineup 1. Kiara White (NSW) 2. Rugby League ; Scores & Fixtures; Tables; All Teams; Sat 29 Apr 2023 Men's International Match. Junior Representative Wrap Round 6. Counties 2 Kent Albert Hopoate 5. 5. 8. 17. The Toronto Wolfpack are a Canadian professional rugby league club based in Toronto, Ontario, who compete in the North American Rugby League. New York Bombers - The Horse That Played Center Field by Hal Higdon. Jayden Okunbor 2. Counties 3 Berks/Bucks & Oxon North Moses Leota Sunia Turuva Bunty Afoa The official website of the national governing body for the sport of rugby union in the United States of America. Matt Eisenhuth (shoulder) is in doubt but should be named on the bench. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_English_rugby_union_teams&oldid=1074516374, Lists of sports teams in the United Kingdom, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 28 February 2022, at 17:28. Karl Oloapu 8. Luke Brooks Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow Mikaele Ravalawa (hamstring) is expected to return to the side on the wing, replacing Max Feagai. 15. 7. The club originally competed in the British rugby league system but withdrew in the 2020 Super League season due to "overwhelming financial challenges" caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. In addition to the thirteen on-field players, there are a maximum of five substitute players who start the game on their team's bench. Alex Johnston 9. 15. Despite this, forwards are still referred to by the position they would traditionally take in the scrum. Find out the latest news stories, results and fixtures for your favourite football teams on BBC Sport. Matthew Eisenhuth 12. Five out-of-contract Super League players that will be in demand from rival clubs, Paul Heckingbottom's Iliman Ndiaye transfer message as Sheffield United star attracting interest, The Senegalese international is set to be at the centre of serious transfer interest in the summer following a stellar campaign, Super League recruitment guide as Matthew Shaw provides club-by-club transfer picks. Braden Hamlin-Uele (knee) will miss the next month after suffering an MCL injury against the Cowboys. In defence their primary role is to mark their opposing wingers, and they are also usually required to catch and return kicks made by an attacking team, often dropping behind the defensive line to help the fullback. 11. Additionally, if a player is injured due to foul play and an opposition player is has been sin-binned or sent off then the injured player's team is given a free interchange. Toronto Wolfpack games were broadcast on Canadian specialty channel GameTV, with further digital rights extended to CBC Sports with games streamed on the CBC Sports website. Felise Kaufusi Clubs are free to negotiate deals ahead of 2024. NelsonAsofa-Solomona 5 Regional 1 North East 12 clubs. Press on colored number for description. Fonua Pole, 14. Jack Wighton [33], On 31 March 2021, it was announced that a private investor group had purchased the Wolfpack and that they would be resuming play in the newly formed North American Rugby League.[34]. USA Rugby oversees four national teams, multiple collegiate and high school All-American sides, and an emerging Olympic development pathway for elite athletes. Graphs are temporarily unavailable due to technical issues. Adam Pompey Aaron Pene Reed Mahoney Jake Simpkin 12 clubs, Counties 1 Midlands East (South) Chad Townsend (calf) was taken off against his former club in Round 9 and is in doubt. (Plus Bingara, Bundarra, Guyra, Tingha and Warialda who have moved up to the A Grade competition). Counties 3 Midlands West (South) 15. Josh Aloiai Once the Group 19 name became available after the demise of the previous competitions of that name, a breakaway competition Counties 2 Surrey [22], The Wolfpack held tryouts in five cities across North America starting 24 September; those were: Philadelphia, Tampa, Kingston, Vancouver, and Toronto itself. 16. 407. These clubs fielded teams in at least one Division 2 competition during the seasons 2011 to 2017. Through a sponsorship deal with Air Transat, the team covers the travel and accommodation cost for all of the away teams. All Toronto Wolfpack games were broadcast live in the UK on Sky Sports - Arena which reaches 11 million homes across the Sky Network. Brendan Hands A massive victory for England and by the same score-line as the women earlier. S Tomkins (Catalans), A Ackers (Salford), J Batchelor, (St Helens), J Bateman (Wigan), T Burgess (South Sydney), M Cooper (WIgan), H Farnworth (Brisbane), R Hall (Hull KR), C Hill (Huddersfield), M. Narrabri Blues players Mitch Dening, Dennis Gordon, Lachlan Trindall and Jayden Hayne (front) and captain-coach Jake Rumsby and Rodney Lamb (back) celebrate Gordon's match-winning try against the Gunnedah Bulldogs at Collins Park in round six of the 2021 Group 4 Rugby League season. Xavier Coates In July 2020, Toronto Wolfpack withdrew from the 2020 Super League due to financial difficulties and new logistics needed for international travel caused by the COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom. Mick Hayes and Bernie Wicks line marking Jack Woolaston Oval for the weekend's action, the new line marker they are using is an initiative of The North Tamworth Old Boys thanks for the hard work. EASY. Competitions listed are correct as of the 2021 season. The store's greatest Rugby League sim takes you to the World Cup! Ben Murdoch-Masila Lachlan Ilias The Toronto Wolfpack Rugby League Team owns rights to all broadcasts of their matches. 4. The 2020 season was postponed and subsequently cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic in Australia.[1]. Kieran Foran Counties 4 Yorkshire, Counties 4 Gloucestershire North 15. This page was last edited on 29 April 2023, at 18:13. No other changes expected for the Titans following an impressive win over Manly. 15. 3. 8. When a team persistently breaks the laws, the referee while issuing a caution will often speak with the team's captain to encourage them to improve their team's discipline. Jack Bird 10. Throughout the list bold indicates the league is a professional or semi-professional competition. Isaah Yeo Matt Doorey 5. Coming off poor Round 8 efforts, both teams will be out to make amends and get back into the winner's circle. The Group runs a first grade, reserve grade, league tag and under 18s competitions. As well as their positions, players' roles may be referred to by a range of other terms. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Toby Couchman 12. 1. 1. Published by: Tru Blu Games. 15. Commencing in the 2016 season, Australia's National Rugby League permits up to eight interchanges per team per game. Aaron Woods. On October 5, 2019, the Wolfpack were promoted to Super League for the first time in club history after their 246 victory over Featherstone Rovers in the 2019 Million Pound Game. 1. TIGERS SMASHED BY BEARS IN FIRST ROUND OF GROUP 4 SEASON No major changes are flagged at this stage for the Dragons, however expect to see Anthony Griffin wield the axe after four-straight losses. Name. 10. Jesse Bromwich 9. 8. Dale Finucane 7. Weight. Rugby league hitting record numbers in Victoria. Backs are usually smaller and faster, though a big, fast player can be of advantage in the backs. 8. 10. Victor Radley, 14. Keenan Palasia 12. We acknowledge the stories, traditions and living cultures of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples on the lands we meet, gather and play on. Sebastian Kris - YouTube 0:00 / 3:41 How to get 2022 NRL teams on Rugby League Live 4 FAST! Tesi Niu (knee) is scheduled to return on the wing, with Robert Jennings likely making way. Tasmania is an affiliated State of the overall Australian governing body, the Australian Rugby League . Jared Waerea-Hargreaves Joseph Suaalii 5. Counties 3 Midlands East (N) East JoeOfahengaue Jake Turpin 9. A rugby league forward pack consists of six players who tend to be bigger and stronger than backs, and generally rely more on their strength and size to fulfill their roles than play-making skills. 6. 1. Wingers are typically the most explosive and most vital members of the rugby league team who must have good awareness to see gaps in the defensive line and avoid getting tackled. 16. Counties 2 Essex [16] A group of 10 businessmen, consisting of mostly Canadians and Australian mining millionaire David Argyle, own the club,[17][18] having paid around $500,000 to be granted admission to the rugby league. Daly Cherry-Evans Although any player can attempt his team's kicks at goal (penalty kicks or conversions), most teams have specific players who train extensively at kicking, and often use only one player to take goal kicks during a game. 13. Will Warbrick 4. In addition to home games played in Greater Toronto Area, the team played a "home game" at New River Stadium in London for the 2018, and 2019 seasons. 11. Counties 2 Berks/Bucks & Oxon South 17. 16. 9. 6. Cooper Johns It includes every team playing in levels 14 of the British rugby league system. The Wolfpack finished the season with 41 points from 22 games and points difference of +921. 6. Ryan Matterson (illness) is expected to return in the second-row, pushing Bryce Cartwright to the bench and Ofahiki Ogden out of the side. Tom Trbojevic (groin) missed the Round 9 loss to the Titans and could be included for this crucial match. Warrington stars Williams and Currie are joined in the squad by five of their Wolves team-mates in Matty Ashton, James Harrison, Matty Nicholson, Josh Thewlis and Danny Walker. Easily attach playoffs to any league. The following season saw continued success by the Wolfpack; winning the league leaders shield in the championship competition. Includes the latest news stories, results, fixtures, video and audio. Phillip Sami In the USA Eleven Sports send broadcasts into 50 million homes. How to get 2022 NRL teams on Rugby League Live 4 FAST! Angus Crichton Jordan Rapana Also known as wingers. 8. Isaiah Papalii Josh Hodgson Manilla moved into the lower grades. 'They drive us on' - Darren Moore sends message to Sheffield Wednesday supporters, If the Owls are to join Plymouth and Ipswich in winning promotion to the Championship they will have to do it the hard way and negotiate the play-offs, Mark Applegarth explains Luke Gale's Wakefield Trinity role after surprise move. 2. They are usually positioned just inside the wingers and are typically the second-closest players to the touch-line on each side of the field. Some teams choose to simply deploy a third prop in the loose forward position, while other teams use a more skilful player as an additional playmaker. As always, stay with for all the team news and live action from both games. 13. 2. Great kick from Williams and Handley gathers it to finish. Christian Welch If he is deemed fit to play, Kaeo Weekes will likely miss out on selection. 3. Ben Hunt ConnellyLemuelu 15. 12. 17. 4. [16] The stadium was opened in 1975 and has an artificial field. They compete against Groups 19 and 21 in trials for the Greater Northern Tigers regional team. Reuben Garrick In rugby union a team fields 15 players; in rugby league teams field 13 players. Bulldogs predicted team: 1. Counties 3 Gloucestershire South In some competitions, such as Super League, players receive a squad number to use all season, no matter what positions they play in. 28th April 2023 at 11:29am. Payne Haas West Tamworth (1913-1995 as the Robins, merged with Tamworth City 1995-2016), rebranded as South West (2017). Jessica Brooks (NSW) 5. Tyran Wishart The following is a list of international rugby union teams: National teams - band classification [ edit ] Starting in 2008, in addition to the existing tier system, the IRB introduced a four-band system of classification in which unions are classified based on "their development status and record on the international stage". List of rugby league competitions in Australia, Women's Rugby League European Championship, Women's Rugby League European Championship B, Brisbane and District Women's Rugby League, Wheelchair Rugby League European Championship, Rugby Football League Championship First Division, Rugby Football League Championship Second Division, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_rugby_league_competitions&oldid=1151352145, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, TOP 1 - Brazilian Rugby League 13-a-side Championship, TOP 2 - Brazilian Rugby League 13-a-side Second Division Championship, This page was last edited on 23 April 2023, at 13:59. 13. Throughout the list bold indicates the league is a professional or semi-professional competition. Some teams choose to simply deploy a third prop in . Max King 9. 2. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Corey Jensen and Jock Madden loom as the likely players to drop out of the side in the only changes for Brisbane. Height. 15. Rugby league is a minor sport in Germany. However, during their 2018 season the Wolfpack relocated one of their home games to Fletcher's Fields in Markham, as Lamport Stadium was undergoing field resurfacing work. The following is a list of rugby league competitions that are still currently in existence. Eliminate the hassle of Rugby scheduling. The Tigers were going strong in the first half, but the Bears struck them down in the second. 130. 6. 14. 13. Group 5 eventually merged into the Group 19 competition after the 1981 season and the league has been known as New England Group 19 ever since. Tom Starling Counties 3 Yorkshire, Counties 3 Kent Jaiyden Hunt Williams takes the tee and converts. Tevita Pangai Junior. Lindsay Smith 10. Three forwards make up the back row of the scrum: two second-rowers and a loose forward. V&E JOINERS. Some teams go for an additional playmaker, while others will simply place the third prop . Nyree Gilluley (Qld) 3. AJ Brimson (hamstring) is expected to be sidelined once again after aggravating an existing injury. 16. 8. Players are divided into two general types, forwards and . Liam is a content producer for The Sporting News Australia. The New England Group 19 Rugby League competition is a Rugby league competition which is run under the auspices of the NSWRL, which absorbed the NSWCRL in 2019. Centre - 3 & 4. 6. 10. ReimisSmith RaymondFaitala-Mariner West Tamworth (1913-1995 as the Robins, merged with Tamworth City 1995-2016), rebranded as South West (2017). Counties 4 Midlands West (South). 2. It also formerly ran a second division competition called the Wests Shield. John Bateman Matt Moylan 15. Member Unions. Jake Turpin will likely slot into the starting No.9 role for the Roosters. Isaac Liu, 14. Kai Pearce Paul brings up 50 points for England. Includes premier division, division one, and division two. Numbered 7, the scrum-half or half-back is usually involved in directing the team's play. Odd1x 13.5K subscribers 23K views 1 year ago #OddSquad. Kaeo Weekes While they have been described as the world's first trans-Atlantic professional sports team, United Kingdom's third tier of professional rugby league, 2015 Pan American Games Athletes' Village, "Toronto Wolfpack withdraws from Super League due to "overwhelming financial challenges" that caused their players to be unpaid for two months", "Toronto Wolfpack: Meet the first transatlantic rugby league team", "Toronto Wolfpack cross the Atlantic for rugby league home opener", "New boys Toronto Wolfpack are in for the long term", "Can Toronto's English rugby league club teach NFL to cross Atlantic? Rugby league in Germany. This page was last edited on 24 April 2023, at 06:55. Marata Niukore 4. As of April 2010, the International Rugby Board lists the number of clubs in Germany at 110.. Forwards are required to improve the team's field position thus creating space and time for the backs. CoryPaix It was originally called the Group 5 Rugby League Premiership but that competition merged with another local competition to form New England Group 19. 2. Addin Fonua-Blake 17. Michael Chee Kam Counties 2 Hampshire In the event that two (or more) teams finish with an equal number of points, the following rules break the tie: 1. 12. Herbie Farnworth First up is the womens game before the men take centre stage at the Halliwell Jones Stadium. 16. 9. Brent Naden is facing a three-game suspension for a shoulder charge against Penrith, which should open the door for Asu Kepaoa (illness) to return in the centres. Tolu Koula (knee) is expected to return in the centres, with Morgan Harper the likely man to drop out of the backline. Counties 2 Dorset & Wilts South, Counties 2 Midlands West (North) Brian To'o Jason Saab A rugby league team consists of thirteen players on the field, with 4 substitutes on the bench. Numbered 1, the fullback's primary role is the last line of defence, standing behind the main line of defenders. William Kennedy . 20172020: Seasons in the British leagues, Please expand the article to include this information. Following a round 4 defeat to London Broncos they put together an 18-game winning streak from March 2018 [28] which was eventually broken with a home defeat to Featherstone Rovers in late July. Ethan Bullemor the Super League allowed up to ten interchanges per team in each game, this was reduced to eight interchanges per team per game, commencing in the 2019 season. Regional 1 South East 12 clubs. 7. Not only that but play in the N 6. [26] Their first home match was played on May 6, where they defeated Oxford in front of 6,281 fans at Lamport Stadium.[27]. Counties 2 Herts/Middlesex Ray Stone (concussion) will miss at least a week, potentially opening the door for Anthony Milford to return to the side on the bench. History Scott Sorensen Manilla then re-joined the first grade competition in 2022. Tanah Boyd The Rugby Regionalliga is the third-highest level of Germany's Rugby union league system, organised by the German Rugby Federation.It is set below the 2nd Rugby-Bundesliga and is organised in eight regional divisions.. Kurt Donoghoe. 10. Counties 2 Midlands West (South) Junior Paulo Subsequently, the Wolfpack made an announcement that they would cease operations. Reece Walsh 6. Dylan Brown 7. Maika Sivo 14. Corey Allan 12. [19], It was suggested that it was an attractive market as Canada has the largest amount of rugby league followers outside of Australia, France, New Zealand and the United Kingdom. 11. 1. 11. 7. Franklin Pele (arm) is expected to return to the side on the bench, while the club are hopeful of a speedy recovery for Max King (ribs) in the front-row. 8. 11. The forwards also traditionally formed and contested scrums, however in the modern game it is largely immaterial which players pack down in the scrum.